Lots of Moroccan medical students go to France and Germany, so there. You need to pay to get a specific official language certificate which means paying for courses to train you to pass the exam, you need to pay to translate your medical licence and supporting documentation into Finnish, you probably need to pay to sit the exams as well. Non EUWork (self.AskEurope), submitted 2 years ago * by Deadwolf_YT France. Idk about the us but Canada impossible for non citizens, [–]newcount22 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children). Demographic changes mean that a shortage of German doctors is looming, especially among general practitioners, paediatricians and other specialists in rural areas. [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children), So france/Germany/Austria/Uk are my best bet. Getting into recidency is very difficult even for a native Dutch doctor, [–]DocQuixotic Netherlands 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). If that's too tough..... tough shit, I guess. In Englishadd_circle. For example, in Baden-Württemberg, this is the Stuttgart Regional Council (âRegierungspräsidiumâ). Hi there guys, I'm glad we have a subreddit for medical students in the EU now :) Basically the questions boils down to which is better for doctors, Germany or the UK? Is package stealing a problem in your country? As a doctor, nurse for general care, midwife, dental practitioner, pharmacist, architect and veterinary surgeon, ... he was told that the qualifications required for an ambulance nurse in Germany form part of the paramedic profession. [–]Lyress in 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children). REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 17124 on r2-app-016821a28fce65ed4 at 2021-01-06 12:48:49.144475+00:00 running 15b6a67 country code: US. Competition for medical jobs is high. [–]jenana__ Belgium 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). No. I just know that medical student can finish their studies there or something, but I don’t know the minutiae. Spain takes hundreds of Latin American doctors every year. Workers from Croatiamay face temporary restrictions on working in Liechtenstein. Here is a summary of the most important things you'll need to think about. A visa or a residence permit for the purpose of obtaining qualified employment is issued for a maximum of four years. Prospective employers should be able to provide more information on this topic. So basically any country with a medical school and a governing body has the necessary set up - which is going to be everyone except microstates. Can i use german / english in Czech Republic? Hypothetically there is no language barrier. I don't think anybody in this sub is an expert on international labor laws, so I didn't take the question this way. To do it in Canada, you need to your credentials evaluated by the Medical Council of Canada: A licence to practice medicine is only granted for a particular state, rather than for the whole of Germany. Its not like you can use Spanish in Portugal. just because they have a shortage doesnt mean they accept the medical diplomma from his country. Many facilities prefer to hire EU doctors as there are fewer restrictions. Anyone who wants to work in Germany as a doctor, dentist, pharmacist or psychotherapist must have sufficient oral and written German language skills for both professional and informal use. Rendered by PID 17124 on r2-app-016821a28fce65ed4 at 2021-01-06 12:48:49.144475+00:00 running 15b6a67 country code: US. Germany vs the UK for non-EU doctors. [–]anneomoly United Kingdom 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago* (3 children). 2. The approval authority will usually also require certified copies of the original documents. The Netherlands currently has an oversupply of both junior doctors and specialists in all fields except for insurance medicine, occupational health, and elderly care. There are degrees in English but they still need to learn Polish because they're practicing at Polish hospitals and clinics. Some people get student visas once they register in schools that prepare for the MIR test. So, I know I have to nostrificate my diploma wherever I go. The Marburger Bund publishes a list of approval authorities (in German) for the various Federal States. If you are a citizen of a country outside the EU/EEA and you want to study or work in Sweden, you will need a study or work permit. And then you have next level with countries where even locals who allegedly speak the same language and different dialects have trouble understanding each other. After completing their tertiary education, junior doctors in training are entitled to an EU Blue Card, making it easier to obtain a residence permit for people in occupations that have a shortage of applicants. You can also follow Imke on Twitter. International doctors, pharmacists, psychotherapists and other health professionals from non-EU countries who only want to work in Germany temporarily can apply for a professional permit (âBerufserlaubnisâ), which is valid for up to two years, rather than a license to practice medicine. provided that you have the qualifications from your home country, all you need to do is complete a number of assessments. Add to that the fact that in many devoloping countries qualifications like that are much easier faked than here and it would be very hard for our local authorities to verify anything. That's true as well. After residency, Spain pays doctors between €2200 and €3000 depending on the speciality. No offense to your coworker and for all we know he might really be a good doctor but education isn't the same in places like Tanzania as it is here in Western Europe. Applicants must submit with their application either their Civil Service Language Proficiency Certificate or National Certificate of Language Proficiency. [–]flagada7:flag-05: Bavaria 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children). However, the medical profession in Germany is strictly regulated and there are many conditions for international doctors to meet before they can work here. What is your favourite European language? of the foreign doctors working in Germany come from countries outside the European Union. I assume it's a liability thing so he'd have to do his whole training over again. As an assistant doctor, one learns the diagnostics and methods of his specialty. I'm not sure. [–]shoots_and_leaves -> -> 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (4 children). They will ask you to convalidate your degree in the "Ministerio de Educación" http://www.mecd.gob.es/educacion-mecd/areas-educacion/universidades/educacion-superior-universitaria/titulos/homologacion-titulos/homologacion-titulos-universitarios.html. [–]a_bright_knight Serbia 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (1 child). and join one of thousands of communities. Based on what? Besides, the salary of graduate medical doctors is the highest compared to graduates from other study fields, with an average of 49,000 Euros / year. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children). I used to work with a tanzanian fellow who had been a GP back home and spoke adequate finnish for all intents and purposes. Please guide me I have already applied for validation from socialsterian but nothing materialize, presently working as an emergency doctor in gulf. This may be followed by the patient communication test (âPatientenkommunikationstestâ), which is mandatory in some parts of Germany. Recognition of Foreign Trained Doctors in Germany. Which country is the best for a foreign-trained doctor from( North Africa ) to try to get his degree and license approved to work there ? The Danish Patient Safety Authority only regulates language requirements for applicants from non-EU countries (third countries). Recent data shows that many of these people are skilled workers; more than 60% of EU immigrants either have a university degree or have completed vocational training. Very hard to get your Md degree recognized here. If i get a license in spain then i could theoretically work in any EU country? Gaining German language skills is an important part of working in Germany. Jokes are welcome, but should be accompanied by a serious answer. Isn't OP's main problem that while it's certainly possible to validate your degree in many EU countries, you still have to have a valid reason for permanent residence like a job offer, and obtaining a job offer while being a foreigner immediately cuts off like 99% of the job market because nobody wants to go through the hassle? We use cookies to ensure we can provide you with the best possible experience on our website. You'll have to redo a big part of your training. Before you can do that, you need to submit your credentials for a step one verification: Kudos for doing the research, I concede the point. Figure 7: Most non-British national doctors had either a South Asia or EU15 nationality The thing that stands out to me as the biggest obstacle is not the size of Finland and its immigrant population, but the cost. Germany was a founding member of the European Community in 1957, which became the EU in 1993. But, you would still have to take language in the new country. https://mcc.ca/services/source-verification/medical-credentials/. (Besides mother tongue). So it is evidently also for non-citizens going through the immigration process. Some doctors with private practice make considerably more, say dermatologists, or ophthalmologists but they are not the norm. Of course, the license itself needs to be recognized. [–]Szpagin Poland 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (1 child). Go where your fellow countrymen are going. Is it true Europeans go to a lot of Balls? You can obtain translations of official documents from authorised or publicly appointed and sworn translators, who can be found in the database of translators and interpreters provided by the State Justice administrations. Can somebody explain the new VAT EU system to be implemented in July in a very simple way? Swedish Migration Agency, Migrationsverket, will provide you with more information. And you need to compete for an internship as well. That's not true. If you are applying for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) programs such as the Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) or the Canadian Experience Class (CEC), you may need an ECA report to complete your Express Entry profile. The internship should last at least six months, but Valvira can specify both the length and the content of your internship as necessary. The bottom option allows custom flairs, use :flag-xx: to add the flags themselves. You have to have begun and finished your internship within the three years immediately preceding your taking of the Tampere examination. It's hard to say. Mostly from the Middle East, but I've met Chinese as well. Doubt it. This follows the UK’s withdrawal from the European Union. If you’re an EU student, you will only have to cover administration fees which can at the maximum account for €300. By following the link it is possible. [–]matinthebox Germany 30 points31 points32 points 2 years ago (3 children). [–]truh Austria 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). On the other hand, non-EU students will have to pay a certain amount for their medical education in Germany. Now the Brexit transition period has ended, the registration process for some doctors with non-UK qualifications has changed. The Marburger Bund, which represents the interests of doctors in Germany, has published a list (in German) of the requirements for German language skills for non-German-speaking doctors in the various Federal States. I am a doctor of general medicine, coming from Macedonia, which you all know is not an EU country. How do you say "the day before yesterday" in your native language? This quota system applies to nationals of all EU countries, Norway and Iceland. ‘Medical training for a medical doctor’s profession completed abroad' refers to basic medical training that fulfils certain criteria. Submissions must be a question with a clear title. Working in Germany as a foreigner. Honestly, I have no idea. EU/EEA/Switzerland Doctors - Eligible for a full license which offers an unlimited permit to practice. This applies to both EU citizens and non-EU citizens. Yes, it does. If the candidate has obtained a licence to practice medicine in a country outside the EU, the approval process will include demonstration of the necessary language skills plus an additional equivalence or knowledge test with a panel of physicians. Recently, there has been an influx of foreign doctors to Germany. A new study says Germany is an exception with its free higher education. Usually, with this sort of stuff there is some correspondence between the relevant countries. Call 112 for an ambulance. Assistant Doctors in Germany are the job starters, with the highest salary accounting to $68,000 annually. [–]ruber_r Czechia 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (6 children), I don't mind if it's developed or not,only if it is a member of the EU. [–]icatsouki Tunisia -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children), Late as fuck answer but you have no idea what you're talking about so you can drop the condescending shit, [–]tetroxid Switzerland 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]flagada7:flag-05: Bavaria 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (2 children). Medical degrees from EU and certain other countries are recognised in line with the Bologna criteria. https://mcc.ca/services/repository/educational-credential-assessment/. No questions similar to those asked already during the last 10 days. NSFW content should be marked with a fair warning. Damn. This picture of a New Year's Eve in Manchester has been deemed as quintessentially British. A lot of doctors are dreaming of specialisation and training in the best German hospitals, which are famous all over the world. [–]Lyress in 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Poland has a shortage of medical personnel, I've seen many doctors from places like India or Middle East. [–]VladVV 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children), I don't even know if foreign degrees are accepted across Europe for medicine. [–]CyrillicMan Ukraine 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). At the same time, doctors from abroad may be attracted to Germany as a place to complete their specialist training or further their knowledge, or may simply see better opportunities for work and lifestyle there. Most of these immigrants are from European Union countries like Poland or the Czech Republic, but many doctors from around the world have applied for jobs in Germany. For the exam you need a paper to sit and a room to do it in, and someone to mark it. The highest overall numbers of practising physicians were recorded in the largest EU Member States: Germany (357 000, equivalent to 21.1 % of the EU-27 total), followed at some distance by Italy (240 000), France (212 000) and Spain (188 000). Is it Spain Portugal, Germany , Ireland Denmark or France or Romania...? Jobs for doctors in Scandinavia & Germany. Here is an outline of the steps that non-German doctors need to follow in order to work in German hospitals, clinics and medical practices. That is not true- it is based on where you did your degree. I've been to a fair share of hospitals in developing countries and have seen some crazy stuff. Like Swiss French, or Frisian German, or similar situations. Please only use the custom flair option for locations. But as the medical profession is one of the regulated fields, first you have to make sure that your Medical Diploma is recognizable. No URL shorteners, advertising, spam, etc. In the long run it's possible, but it's not that easy. Call 110 for the police. You may take the first test in the examination when you have completed your six-month internship in full and passed your language certificate test. Recognition of professional qualifications under Directive 2005/36/EC of 7 September 2005, Online service to check EU qualifications in the health sector and other regulated professions, (Notes on obtaining a temporary professional permit without a license to practice medicine, with links, in German). Imke Brodersen has over 20 years of experience as a translator from English and Spanish into German, focusing on medicine, literature and the translation of official documents. This includes factors such as the quality of life for a doctor and chances of getting into a decent residency program. It's not a programme, it's an exam board. What would be a similar photo for your country? Let's say as a Belgian nurse it's easier to work in a Dutch hospital than as a African doctor, but it's pretty complicated to get any medical degrees (and permission to work in the medical field) validated abroad. No attacks on other users, doxxing, harassment, trolling etc. He’ll be able to do that in Dubai, the language for medicine is English, and Dubai has a thriving healthcare industry and is Islamic. The regulations may vary from state to state. In Belgium you can't practice medicine based on an african degree. Let's say my family doctor is a migrant who studied medicine abroad (she used to be a specialist in her country) and it took her 5-6 years to get her degree validated and to get her language skills on point to work in Belgium as a family doctor. I don't even know if foreign degrees are accepted across Europe for medicine, so yeah, I'd assume not. [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children). Please remember our premier rule: Be polite and courteous to everybody. You can have copies certified at the town hall, at local authority offices or by notaries public. [–]colako Spain 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]Fatherhenk Netherlands 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), I'm a med student in the Netherlands. As you see it is not an easy process, especially since you need a very good command of Spanish, but is doable. Within the EU nationals category, those from the EU15 account for the majority and within the non-EU nationals category, this is South Asia (Figure 7). Entry requirements for doctors If you completed your training as a doctor abroad, you will require an official licence, the so-called Approbation, in order to practise your profession and start working in Germany. You need c1 to work as doctor in most countries. The authorities should make their decision to issue a residence card or not within 6 months.If they do not do so, you can call on our assistance services.In any case, your non-EU family members cannot be expelled if their visa expired while their application is being processed. According to the OECD, Germany’s immigrant workforce stands at 36.5 million people – one of the highest in the world.The majority of these workers come from other EU countries. Interesting, but I would be skeptical that a country as small as Finland which is much less attractive to immigrants and doesn't have the same healthcare provider shortages England has has similarly large programs. Congrats on getting out! By Imke Brodersen, English-German medical translator. Translated by Jayne Fox, German-English medical translator and editor. Iâd love to hear your thoughts on this article. I don't understand why you say that in the Netherlands it could be easier. Jayne Fox BSc MITI is a German-English medical translator and editor. [–]Kronephon->-> 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children). Physicians who have completed their medical training outside of the European Union and EEA may still practice medicine in Germany, but have some hoops to jump through to get the Approbation. https://legitimation.socialstyrelsen.se/en/educated-outside-eu-and-eea, [–]Lyress in -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (4 children). No way, that's not gonna happen. See the blog post on doctor-patient communication in Germany for more details about German language acquisition for medical practitioners, plus relevant links. It's hard, and require a lot of effort and time, but not impossible. [–]robe_ac Spain -> Sweden 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]SpinatJokker Denmark 32 points33 points34 points 2 years ago (16 children), Hypothetically there is no language barrier, [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (14 children), I still have few years to graduate so i can learn Danish if need to . Which European country is the most welcoming for foreign-trained doctors? Once you have the specialty you could move a bit easier but you still have to pass requirements for every country. [–]manInTheWoods Sweden 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). The tests are given in Finnish or Swedish and must be completed in the order given above. 7 thoughts on “ 6 Steps to get a practice license in Sweden for a non-EU medical doctor ” Jayantha wijeratne. If he wants Europe he’ll have to work for it. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Still, international fees for medicine courses in Germany are very low compared to other popular study destinations. The official onus is on the candidates to do everything by themselves, pretty much. Keep comments relevant and of decent quality. The database contains details of translators for various languages and is available in English. You’ll have to diligently ask around. Although these countries are not members of the EU, their nationals can work in the EU on the same footing as EU nationals, since they belong to the European Economic Area. Germany Free tuition in Germany not attractive for all foreigners. An Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) confirms whether or not your medical degree/diploma is comparable to a Canadian one. I will try to ask a professor , they might know something . The type of application and evidence needed for registration depends … A brief summary of how to become a doctor in Germany (for non-EU Citizens) All steps to become a doctor in Germany (for non EU-Citizens): 1. During last 15 months 340 international doctors have begun residency in Germany by means of this program. Posts containing only a yes/no-question; Clear Petitions, Surveys, Advertising, AMAs with the mods first (message mods). I've seen that you think that, if you get permanent residency/ citizenship in one of the European countries, you would be able to practice medicine around EU. I also speak other languages, [–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 2 years ago* (6 children), I still have few years to graduate so i can learn Danish if need to. [–]matinthebox Germany 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children), Better to have a doctor that doesn't always understand you than no doctor at all :), [–]SpinatJokker Denmark 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (6 children), [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (5 children), Can you give me an example? I would gladly work there until i am a permanent resident / citizen and have my license approved so i could move somewhere else with higher pay. Are socks & sandals a thing in your country? I do not know exactly how the situation on the market is, but I think anyone who speaks German at least decently will be able to find work. After 3-4 years you're good to go. asking for a beer is very different to being able to comfort a scared old lady with a thick country accent that you've just given bad new to... [–]eshwilk Poland 21 points22 points23 points 2 years ago (4 children). Jobs that doctors typically get in Germany are in hospital, in their own medical practice or as an employee within big group practices. Portugal is quite welcoming to foreigners in general. Do you fulfil these requirements? I speak 4 languages fluently (B2 and C1 ) if you use the same grading system, [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children), What are my other options? Is a Moroccan degree recognized in France? What are some true romantic stories involving royalty and the common folk? I mean, I know you say to ignore language barrier, but it is real and if you're from N. Africa, I assume you speak French at a native level so that would be France/Belgium and Switzerland if you can get there to probably be best. Candidates can use the database themselves to check whether their qualifications are likely to be approved. Not all countries have that, tho. edit: it looks like Finland have similar requirements (language certificate in Finnish or Swedish, as well as three different exams in Finnish or Swedish on both medicine and the Finnish healthcare system) but they also require 6 months volunteer internship in a hospital as well... [–]shoots_and_leaves -> -> 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children). Excluding unknown nationalities, 10% of doctors were EU nationals and 19% non-EU nationals. This amount can further increase, with the help of professional development. Everything about the degree is still operated by state. EU Health Staff Ltd recruit EU doctors to work in Scandinavia & Germany. [–]Rafa_strat Spain 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children), [–]Deadwolf_YT France[S] -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children). Just which country would let you practice after few tests and not have to go through residency again, [–]Klamydiagrammi 35 points36 points37 points 2 years ago (9 children), Not Finland at least. It is an easier option to Europe. Non EU, https://mcc.ca/services/repository/educational-credential-assessment/, https://mcc.ca/services/source-verification/, https://mcc.ca/services/source-verification/medical-credentials/, http://www.mecd.gob.es/educacion-mecd/areas-educacion/universidades/educacion-superior-universitaria/titulos/homologacion-titulos/homologacion-titulos-universitarios.html. Foreighn residents in Germany in numbers: Irrespective of where you have graduated, in Europe or another location, you can easily get into medical residency with our assistance. It is part of the Schengen Area and since 1999 a member of the Eurozone. If you come from a non-EU country, a category that includes the USA and Canada, you will need a residence permit that gives you the right to work in Germany. This professional permit is limited to a particular time and place. If a work contract has a shorter duration, a residence permit shall be issued for the duration of the contract. If you want to treat patients in another state, you will need to register with the relevant State Medical Chamber (âLandesärztekammerâ). Contact the Geothe Institute for the language course B2 (Independent language use) and language course C1 (Proficiency). Look for the latest doctor jobs and find … Language is a barrier, expect 1-2 years full time studying to acquire the level expected to get your license. I know a man with a medical degree from the Philippines who is now doing unskilled production tasks. a. 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